SimoAlx
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For Stelios, the teletransporter was the only way to travel. Previously it took months to get from Earth to Mars, confined to a cramped spacecraft with a far from perfect safety record. Stelios' TeletransporterExpress changed all that. Now the trip takes just minutes, and so far it had been 100 per cent safe.
However, now he is facing a lawsuit from a disgruntled customer who is claiming the company actually killed him. His argument is simple: the teletransporter works by scanning your brain and body cell by cell, destroying them, beaming the information to Mars and reconstructing you there. Although the person on Mars looks, feels and thinks just like a person who has been sent to sleep and zapped across space, the claimant argues that what actually happens is that you are murdered and replaced by a clone.
To Stelios, this sounds absurd. After all, he has taken the teletransporter trip dozens of times, and he doesn't feel dead. Indeed, how can the claimant seriously believe that he has been killed by the process when he is clearly able to take the case to court?
Still, as Stelios entered the teletransporter booth once again and prepared to press the button that would begin to dismantle him, he did, for a second, wonder whether he was about to commit suicide...
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"Oh hell no, these vessels,
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Our heart swells up, which makes us explode." Red Socks Pugie - Foals
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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2009, 06:58:07 PM » |
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Heard it before. Where's it from?
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SimoAlx
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2009, 07:02:51 PM » |
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A book I have called The Pig That Wants to be Eaten... full of moral dilemmas...
But i thought it captured the attitudes against the singularity... and technological advance.
What do you think about it tho... As an example... and as a dilemma
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2009, 07:18:47 PM » |
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Oh yeah, I think Jack had that, didn't he?
I don't really like thinking hypothetically about things that are physically impossible. I mean, how can you make decisions on things that can never happen? That's the point! Sorry, its a bit difficult to describe my thoughts about hypothetical thinking.
Captured attitudes against the singularity? I don't really agree. And besides, technological advance is un-stoppable.
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SimoAlx
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2009, 07:31:15 PM » |
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Lol, nope... i think i showed it you befor... I had it...
What do other people think?
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2009, 07:59:20 PM » |
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If you are "murdered and then replaced by a clone", how does the clone retain memories and consciousness? I'd say your life was transformed into energy or data or something and beamed across space and reconfigured. It's only murder if the conscious mind dies too. At least that's my opinion.
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jrkulmer
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« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 09:23:45 AM » |
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Technically, yup, you are a clone. But I would say you are a replicant rather than a clone.
But for the person, they are NOT different in any way. You are made up of exactly the same particles you were made up of before, in the same arrangement, so technically, you are the same.
An example I could cite is The Valley Of The Kings, it may have been dissected and moved to another place, but it is the same monument that it was before. It still retains ll its characteristics, and its history.
LOL rant over
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Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 10:41:18 AM » |
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A question I'd ask back is "Could the same technolgy be effectively used to create a perfect clone that retains the same conciousness as the original without destroying them?" If so then I'd have to go with murder, otherwise it wouldn't be. I don't know why I think like that but I do. Perhaps it is something to do with my childish belief in the soul...
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 08:57:50 PM » |
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Nah, not childish... I don't believe in the soul - well, not the "religious" soul. If your soul is who your are, your personality, your memories and that lot, then yep, i believe in it. But I don't believe in the religious soul, and i dont see why it has to be a religious thing...  |
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2009, 02:29:13 PM » |
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I believe the soul is the effect you have around you. How long will it last once you're gone, how will it directly and indirectly influence the other souls here, what will people make of your memory? But it is still a bit naughty to cling onto the sentimental idea of an afterlife. That's mostly because I fear death. I'd rather spend an eternity with all those I love than as a lump of decaying meat.
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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2009, 02:32:37 PM » |
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As a muslim, I don't actually believe in a typical afterlife, with rolling green hills and songs of praise. Rather, something much more metaphoric, and possibly realistic, like a state of contentment or something like that, I'm not entirely sure, but certainly not the orthodox view. And no 72 virgins.
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« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2009, 02:34:48 PM » |
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Allah should know better than anybody that virgins don't remain virgins.
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« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2009, 02:40:19 PM » |
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Which is why I believe that some of beliefs that have sprung up because of lies and rumors and crap are completely ridiculous.
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« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2009, 11:29:35 PM » |
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amen to that amer.  |
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Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? - Douglas Adams
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