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« Reply #75 on: December 10, 2008, 11:19:48 PM » |
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Ah, my Beloved, fill the Cup that clears TO-DAY of past Regrets and future Fears - To-morrow? - Why, To-morrow I may be Myself with Yesterday's Sev'n Thousand Years.
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« Reply #76 on: December 11, 2008, 02:24:55 PM » |
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fill the Cup that clears TO-DAY of past Regrets and future Fears Fill the cup??? Hell, just stick it in my vein. Tomorrow and yesterday...hmmm, a bit puzzled by that one. Perhaps noting a consistency in life? Perhaps dreading it, hence the cup runneth over?
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« Reply #77 on: December 12, 2008, 02:12:18 AM » |
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Tomorrow and yesterday...hmmm, a bit puzzled by that one. Perhaps noting a consistency in life? Perhaps dreading it, hence the cup runneth over? Tricky bit, this, due to the structure of the couplet. My reading is that the narrator cares not for tomorrow, for tomorrow he himself may be as one with yesterday's seven thousand years - in other words dead. So this is a restatement of Editor's favourite "carpe diem". Carter.
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« Reply #78 on: December 12, 2008, 02:17:28 AM » |
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Lo! some we loved, the lovliest and best That Time and Fate of all their Vintage prest, Have drunk their Cup a Round or two before, And one by one crept silently to Rest.
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« Reply #79 on: December 12, 2008, 03:26:29 PM » |
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Remembering loved ones I assume. crept silently to rest-I also assume this refers to death, but why silently? I know very few silent people. 
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« Reply #80 on: December 12, 2008, 04:32:00 PM » |
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Remembering loved ones I assume. crept silently to rest-I also assume this refers to death, but why silently? I know very few silent people.  Maybe not just loved ones, but those we admire, those that have inspired us also? The great figures from our or any age. I suppose you could take this as an aspect of the Latin phrase 'corruptio optimi pessima' ('the corruption of the best is the worst'): we may mourn the passing of those we admire/love, but they pass just like anyone else: and so, by extension, will we. Carter.
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« Reply #81 on: December 12, 2008, 04:34:19 PM » |
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And we, that now make merry in the Room They left, and Summer dresses in new Bloom, Ourselves must we beneath the Couch of Earth Descend, ourselves to make a Couch - for whom?
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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2008, 12:14:24 AM » |
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Ah, make the most of what we yet may spend, Before we too into the Dust descend; Dust into Dust, and under Dust, to lie, Sans Wine, sans Song, sans Singer, and - sans End!
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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2008, 08:21:16 PM » |
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I puzzled about sans in the last line of verse 23, then someone told me about sans in French meaning 'without', which makes sense. Wonder if the use of French words like that was more common in Victorian times?
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« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2008, 08:24:04 PM » |
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Alike for those who for TO-DAY prepare, And those that after a TO-MORROW stare, A Muezzin from the Tower of Darkness cries 'Fools! your Reward is neither Here nor There!'
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« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2008, 08:25:38 PM » |
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A Muezzin is the guy that issues the call to prayer at a Mosque, of old from the top of a minaret - though now they mostly use loudspeakers! Better in the old days.  Carter.
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« Reply #86 on: December 15, 2008, 03:07:27 PM » |
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Couch of Earth?  Sans is one thing I recognized right a way. Thank you semester of French. Without wine, song and dance...but without end? Death is immortal?
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« Reply #87 on: December 16, 2008, 12:19:41 AM » |
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Couch of Earth?  Sans is one thing I recognized right a way. Thank you semester of French. Without wine, song and dance...but without end? Death is immortal? I should have taken more notice in my classes! "Sans end" here means, maybe, not that death is immortal but that it's endless. Once we're gone it's forever; there's no coming back. As for "couch of earth"... well... suppose a couch is a place where we rest, where we reside, and the ground we walk on (the earth) fulfils the same function. The only difference is that once we die we go back to dust, and so make up part of the "couch" on which those after us live their lives. I think.  Carter.
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« Reply #88 on: December 16, 2008, 10:25:07 PM » |
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Why, all the Saints and Sages who discuss'd Of the Two Worlds so learnedly, are thrust Like foolish Prophets forth; their words to Scorn Are scatter'd, and their Mouths are stopt with Dust.
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« Reply #89 on: December 17, 2008, 01:50:34 PM » |
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Two worlds-life and afterlife?
It seems like every quatrain is basically saying, "We're alive, we're going to be dead, so lets pleasure ourselves and each other without limits." My kind of message.
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« Reply #90 on: December 17, 2008, 11:57:36 PM » |
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Two worlds-life and afterlife?
It seems like every quatrain is basically saying, "We're alive, we're going to be dead, so lets pleasure ourselves and each other without limits." My kind of message.
That's what I thought about two worlds too. I think you're right about living for today, though maybe it's not just about pleasure. Verse 24 warns of preparing for today, and verse 25 scorns those that debate existence instead of simply existing: perhaps the Rubaiyat is about living life as it comes, not through plans and designs? Carter.
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« Reply #91 on: December 18, 2008, 12:01:06 AM » |
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Oh, come with old Khayyam, and leave the Wise To talk; one thing is certain, that Life flies; One thing is certain, and the Rest is Lies; The Flower that once has blown for ever dies.
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« Reply #92 on: December 18, 2008, 03:08:26 PM » |
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I sense that when the author refers to the Wise, he/she's being facetious.
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« Reply #93 on: December 19, 2008, 11:43:10 AM » |
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I sense that when the author refers to the Wise, he/she's being facetious.
 Think you're right. We all know people that go about telling everyone how wise/intelligent they are. windbags, all of em! Carter.
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« Reply #94 on: December 19, 2008, 11:54:46 AM » |
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Myself when young did eagerly frequent Doctor and Saint, and heard great Argument About it and About; but evermore Came out by the same Door as in I went.
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« Reply #95 on: December 23, 2008, 01:04:27 AM » |
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With them the Seed of Wisdom did I sow, And with my own hand labour'd it to grow: And this was all the Harvest that I reap'd - 'I came like Water and like Wind I go.'
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« Reply #96 on: December 23, 2008, 02:08:23 PM » |
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With them the Seed of Wisdom did I sow, And with my own hand labour'd it to grow: And this was all the Harvest that I reap'd - 'I came like Water and like Wind I go.'
This is my favorite verse so far. It reads beautifully.
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« Reply #97 on: December 24, 2008, 02:01:29 AM » |
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It does, doesn't it?
'I came like Water and like wind I go.'... Seems to sum up my life right now.
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« Reply #98 on: December 24, 2008, 02:05:05 AM » |
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Into this Universe, and why not knowing, Nor whence, like Water willy-nilly flowing: And out of it, as Wind along the Waste, I know not whither, willy-nilly blowing.
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« Reply #99 on: December 29, 2008, 02:22:10 PM » |
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Sorry I've been away for a few days. The holidays are hectic and I spent it with a stomach virus I contracted from my nephew. Anyway, I wonder how willy-nilly looks translated back into the original language. Seems odd to me. I see this verse seems to expand on the last line of the previous verse.
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